GDT: - Wings @ Hawks 5pm NBC sports chicago (Chelios jersey retirement night) (2024)

DisgruntledHawkFan said:

Machu Pichu brother.

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First thought was a hut somewhere with Aubrey Marcus.

Chortled my cake shake up my nose reading this

Ace Card Bedard said:

Who cares? We don’t want 2 points.
Kane and Debrincat did us a favor.

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2 points as a result of Bedard getting 2 points is a-ok with me

JFieldsOverBedard said:

Jiricek is better then Seth Jones?

Lol wat?

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on an elc brent seabrook would be better

Cubs2024WSChamps said:

Let me know when Jiricek plays a full season and averages 25 min a game in the NHL.

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brent seabrook isn't playing a full season or 25 minutes a game today either. thus my point.

Cubs2024WSChamps said:

Jiricek is better then Seth Jones?

Lol wat?

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He’s on an ELC and only going to get better.

Jones is 9.5 million and only going to get worse.

Even if you think Jones is markedly better right now (which is a stretch), as far as asset value goes, there’s no question you take Jiricek over Jones 100 times out of 100.

JaegerDice said:

He’s on an ELC and only going to get better.

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Yeah? Says who? The guy can barely even make a crappy jackets team let alone play 25 minutes a game in the nhl.

But, even at 20 years of age, Jones was at almost 20 minutes a game on a deep defense where as Jiricek cant even crack a bad one.

and elc= nothing compared to talent.

JaegerDice said:

Jones is 9.5 million and only going to get worse.

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But will still be miles better then jiricek.

And no offense, that cap hit saves this team more dead bodies for Davidson to waste money on and when/if the Hawks turn the corner for the better which might never happen his cap hit will be irrelevant.

JaegerDice said:

Even if you think Jones is markedly better right now (which is a stretch), as far as asset value goes, there’s no question you take Jiricek over Jones 100 times out of 100.

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Lol wat?

Do you know what asset value means? Because a guy who can't crack a bad defensive corps, then cries in the media about it has very little market value no matter if he's on an elc or not. There aint teams knocking down the jackets door for him.

Compared to....Seth jones? A top pairing guy who's contract won't matter in a couple years after the cap goes up? A guy who plays 25 minutes a night in the nhl now suddenly has less value then a guy who so far is just a guy on an elc?

Is this real life?

Is Connor Bedard> Connor McDavid because he's on an elc?

"The Red Wings were irrelevent for a decade after crying their way to the Eastern Conference." Jay Zawaski

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So true.

Look, I love Bedard, but @Taze em is correct. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the decision Jones made (obviously the execution was crap). He had a clear path to the net and took it. Those of you ridiculing him would be doing the same if he pulled up or passed off an opportunity like that. He may have been able to get the puck to Bedard early in the play, but that passing lane closed down quick. As soon as it did. Bedard should have rotated high. He didn't, and Kane got about the most clear cut breakaway you can get.

Also, the first minute of this OT shows exactly why Luke doesn't like to start Bedard. He loses the faceoff, then spends a minute (or more I can't remember the exact timing) chasing the puck around in our zone. The only difference between this and last OT was that the opponents didn't score this time. I have no problem with Bedard sitting to begin with and then coming on as soon as we get the puck.

It's honestly amazing to me that people believe the correct play in a 3 on 1.5 situation is to.... bury your head, skate towards the net, and take a crappy, in-tight shot, at a goalie who is 100% focused on you, and square. It's the ultimate low IQ play.

P.S. Even if Bedard realizes Seth f***ed the play up and falls back, he's left with a 2 on 1 or 3 on 1 scenario...

Pez68 said:

It's honestly amazing to me that people believe the correct play in a 3 on 1.5 situation is to.... bury your head, skate towards the net, and take a crappy, in-tight shot, at a goalie who is 100% focused on you, and square. It's the ultimate low IQ play.

P.S. Even if Bedard realizes Seth f***ed the play up and falls back, he's left with a 2 on 1 or 3 on 1 scenario...

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No, the ultimate low IQ play would be to do any of the things that people have been saying he should have done: pass it to a covered Bedard, peel off, or pass it to Kurashev for a bad angle shot. Again, the execution was sh*t. Harp on Jones as much as you want for his inability to score on such an open shot, I am in agreement there. The decision to shoot, however, was not the wrong decision

Chelios said:

Look, I love Bedard, but @Taze em is correct. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the decision Jones made (obviously the execution was crap). He had a clear path to the net and took it. Those of you ridiculing him would be doing the same if he pulled up or passed off an opportunity like that. He may have been able to get the puck to Bedard early in the play, but that passing lane closed down quick. As soon as it did. Bedard should have rotated high. He didn't, and Kane got about the most clear cut breakaway you can get.

Also, the first minute of this OT shows exactly why Luke doesn't like to start Bedard. He loses the faceoff, then spends a minute (or more I can't remember the exact timing) chasing the puck around in our zone. The only difference between this and last OT was that the opponents didn't score this time. I have no problem with Bedard sitting to begin with and then coming on as soon as we get the puck.

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The passing lane never closed down. It was a pretty simple.pass under the D man's stick, to Bedard, or shovel to the right to Kurashev to change the angle of the shot.

When has Jones even scored a damn goal? Imagine having 1 goal on the year and thinking you're going to score. It was a brain dead play by a brain dead Dman.

Hawkaholic said:

The passing lane never closed down. It was a pretty simple.pass under the D man's stick, to Bedard, or shovel to the right to Kurashev to change the angle of the shot.

When has Jones even scored a damn goal? Imagine having 1 goal on the year and thinking you're going to score. It was a brain dead play by a brain dead Dman.

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Yes it did. You can see on the screenshot on the previous page the dman is in a good position and the split second after that he moves is stick into the lane. You can also see in the screen grab that the back checker has his stick disrupting that pass as well. I realize that everyone hates Jones, but the decision was not a bad one.

Chelios said:

Yes it did. You can see on the screenshot on the previous page the dman is in a good position and the split second after that he moves is stick into the lane. You can also see in the screen grab that the back checker has his stick disrupting that pass as well. I realize that everyone hates Jones, but the decision was not a bad one.

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The screen grab shows them both wide open lol...like what? Thats a pretty easy pass to Kurashev that a 12 year old could make, and a pro hockey player can easily make a pass to Bedard in that situation as well. Even if you dont think you can get it to Bedard, you pass to Kruashev who can then quickly make a pass across to Bedard himself.

Maybe not a bad decision to shoot the puck if you are a goal scorer, but Jones has no idea how to score goals, so imo, it was a terrible decision for him. He buried his head, so the goalie knew he wasn't passing, and made a sh*tty shot.

Chelios said:

Yes it did. You can see on the screenshot on the previous page the dman is in a good position and the split second after that he moves is stick into the lane. You can also see in the screen grab that the back checker has his stick disrupting that pass as well. I realize that everyone hates Jones, but the decision was not a bad one.

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The D-man leaves Jones open because the opposing teams know Jones can’t score. Just like every power play.

this game proved my point from the last game that there's no good reason to start Bedard in OT. The correct way to deploy Bedard is to have him on the bench to start, but as soon as we get possession the forwards need to get off the ice and let Bedard come over the boards. Even if we win the opening draw like we did the game before. The two stiffs on the ice should immediately change so Bedard/whoever else can get out there for the offensive possession.

It's a complete waste of resources to have Bedard out there for a minute and a half chasing the puck.

Hawkaholic said:

The screen grab shows them both wide open lol...like what? Thats a pretty easy pass to Kurashev that a 12 year old could make, and a pro hockey player can easily make a pass to Bedard in that situation as well. Even if you dont think you can get it to Bedard, you pass to Kruashev who can then quickly make a pass across to Bedard himself.

Maybe not a bad decision to shoot the puck if you are a goal scorer, but Jones has no idea how to score goals, so imo, it was a terrible decision for him. He buried his head, so the goalie knew he wasn't passing, and made a sh*tty shot.

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The screen grab is from the split second before the dman moves his stick into the lane. You can see he is already shaded towards Bedard and is giving Jones the lane to the net. Also, the back checker has got his stick coming into that lane too.

As for Krashev, yes he was open, but he also was also at a worse angle than Jones and is even more on top of the goalie than Jones is. I do agree that is a better option than Bedard, but I would argue that the player taking the lane to the net and shooting it himself is still the better option. Especially when you factor in sh*tty overtime ice and all that can happen with a pass in those conditions.

Again, I am by no means a Jones lover. His execution was terrible and I was yelling at the TV just like all of you were. I just think it's disingenuous to pretend after the fact that taking a clear path to the net when it is there is somehow a bonehead decision.

Fortyfives said:

The D-man leaves Jones open because the opposing teams know Jones can’t score. Just like every power play.

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I don't disagree. The dman played it right. Doesn't change the fact that Jones took what was given.

TLEH said:

I'd rather start with Bedard in OT and take my losses with my best player on the ice than play an OT without him seeing it.

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If they are going to start with Bedard, than they need to get someone on there with him who has a better chance of winning the face-off.

Chelios said:

If they are going to start with Bedard, than they need to get someone on there with him who has a better chance of winning the face-off.

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I personally was fine with how OT was. Losing OT is fine. Its a toss up anyway. If you want to start Dickinson and Bedard and Jones I think that is fine too. But losing the OT without him touching the ice is the ultimate problem.

HeisenBaez said:

So true.

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After being relevant for well over two decades.

In addition, Detroit had wanted to move back east before Jay Zawaski was in high school

JaegerDice said:

He’s on an ELC and only going to get better.

Jones is 9.5 million and only going to get worse.

Even if you think Jones is markedly better right now (which is a stretch), as far as asset value goes, there’s no question you take Jiricek over Jones 100 times out of 100.

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Won’t this argument be wild after the Hawks draft that ‘other’ Jiricek in this years draft!